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User: dan y 10 years ago
very short rant.

I know, Easyweb is a work in progress.

I will say that so far, what works I like using. The problem is that there isn't much to work with unless you resort to learning code. Although I've never learned any code I was able to do a pretty good job (for my needs) using Dreamweaver. The problem I had with Dreamweaver was that if I didn't use the application for a few months I'd forget everything and take a some time to relearn it. I think I did that 4 times (we traveled) and got tired of getting back up to speed with Dreamweaver. I began using Iweb for most pages. I had the homepage made with Dreamweaver and most of the links in Iweb. When I had a problem making a certain kind of page with Iweb I'd make it with Dreamweaver and just mix it in. A couple of you guys in this beta test get around the limitations using past experience with code. I don't want to go there,,, hence, I'm limited big time . I just go to Dreamweaver.

Made a really nice interactive map of our travels with popup images and links. Only the Pacific coast links work at this time. http://www.svtropicaldance.net/svtd/int ... emap1.html

I wish I could do that stuff in Easyweb
User: Paul-RAGESW 10 years ago
Hi Dan,

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The problem is that there isn't much to work with unless you resort to learning code.


I would say that EasyWeb does virtually everything iWeb does (it some places a little less, in others much more) without learning any code. Have you found this to not be true or are you comparing EasyWeb to dreamweaver? Of course the ability to add code is what makes EasyWeb that much more powerful than iWeb.

Dreamweaver is a professional WYSIWYG web building tool. As you've discovered, it's got a huge learning curve. Of course there are things you can do with it that you can't do in EasyWeb (not many) but I would definitely say EasyWeb is much easier to use. We're aiming to make a replacement for iWeb, not Dreamweaver. If that is what you're looking for I would stick with Dreamweaver.

So can you clarify what you mean? Are you saying EasyWeb vs iWeb or EasyWeb vs Dreamweaver?

If there is something in iWeb that you can't find in EasyWeb let me know and perhaps we can add it (or it may already be there).

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Paul
EverWeb Developer
User: Yelena 10 years ago
I think Dan got confused by many posts that Roddy has here talking about different codes,etc.... Roddy is much more advanced than most of us here and even though his advice is VERY helpful I think it is important to realize that EasyWeb does lots of things well without any code knowledge...

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Yelena
MacBook Pro OS X 10.10.3
IMac 21" OS X 10.10.3
User: dan y 10 years ago
I do like Easyweb but I haven't found anything it does more than Iweb so far. Perhaps i'm missing something. I really like the position boxes in Easyweb. I like knowing where everything is and how big it is (my favorite feature), but,, I'd like to put a slideshow banner on the homepage. I'd also like to do rollover images and have a few behaviors (is that what you call them?), buttons, a blog, drop down menus and perhaps a forum.

Phew!

Forgive me,,, I broke my back a month ago and am still recuperating with plenty of time on my hands. I'm having fun with Easyweb and seeing where it goes. I have no interest in relearning Dreamweaver and just want what I can't have. (which is everything)
User: Yelena 10 years ago
I am sure that when the tutorials are all finished it will be much easier to learn all the "extras"...

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Yelena
MacBook Pro OS X 10.10.3
IMac 21" OS X 10.10.3
User: Paul-RAGESW 10 years ago
Hi Dan,

Well here's a short list of what EasyWeb can do over iWeb;

1) Better compatibility with all web browsers including Internet Explorer
2) Better support for Mobile Devices
3) Drop down navigation menus (including a more powerful navigation bar in general)
4) Much faster loading websites
5) Mouse over/mouse down transitions for creating rollover effects
6) Retina (and other high resolution screens) support including retina enabled websites (improved in the next few betas)
7) Much more powerful HTML Snippets
8) Social media integration
9) Different page layouts (centered, left aligned and dynamic widths)

So you asked for rollover images which you can do (see Fill Options-> Normal/Mouse Over/Mouse Down). Drop down menus are done automatically for you. Just create a directory and add pages to it. They are created for you.

Yes for now you will need to use the HTML Snippet for the slideshows we'll have a tutorial for that in a few weeks. But it will much better than it would in iWeb.

A forum is a HUGE piece of code. They take years to create and perfect. If you're looking for those types of websites, EasyWeb may not be what you want, or it should be used in conjunction with other forums. That being said you can also do that with HTML Snippets.

But I do think it is unfair of you to say;

Quote:
The problem is that there isn't much to work with unless you resort to learning code.


There is plenty you can do without writing any code. Some of the things you are requesting are very complex and do take some learning to implement but they can certainly be done right now in EasyWeb.

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Paul
EverWeb Developer
User: Roddy 10 years ago
You don't need to learn code to be able to use it.

Most website projects like sliders and movie players have comprehensive instructions and, in most cases, it's just a question of copy and paste. All you really need to know is where in EasyWeb to paste this code.

If you are creating a banner, it's just a question of entering the file path to the images and other assets into the code. File paths are URLs and anybody who creates websites is conversant with these - or should be! This is data entry - not coding.

Perhaps some of the examples of features I have created in EW are beyond the reach of the average user but not many. With some good instructions I know that most users will be able to create features which will set their websites apart from the run of the mill stuff.

With this example, I tried hard to make it as simple as possible so that the size and look oould be easily customize without having to dig into the code...

http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/really-simple-banner.html

Some iWeb users tried to dress up their sliders with background images and translucent overlays to create a unique look but this technique is a disaster for page download times and is not necessary in EasyWeb since it's really simple to add a few custom styles. I'm sure it won't be too long before we can say, "Oh look, there's a Widget for that!".

YouTube movies are easy to implement but they really do look tacky and anybody who is a designer in the artistic sense will surely want something with a little more class. Here's an example of how you can dress up a movie (in this case Vimeo) very simply in EasyWeb...

http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/vimeo.html

Start out with some simple stuff like using HTML Widgets to create your headings...

http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/html-headings.html

... and, before you know it, you'll be creating features that you used to think were advanced.

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Roddy

Website: http://everwebwidgets.com
Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html
NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own.
User: shaun 10 years ago
[quote="admin":199zr1el]Hi Dan,

Well here's a short list of what EasyWeb can do over iWeb;

1) Better compatibility with all web browsers including Internet Explorer
2) Better support for Mobile Devices
3) Drop down navigation menus (including a more powerful navigation bar in general)
4) Much faster loading websites
5) Mouse over/mouse down transitions for creating rollover effects
6) Retina (and other high resolution screens) support including retina enabled websites (improved in the next few betas)
7) Much more powerful HTML Snippets
8) Social media integration
9) Different page layouts (centered, left aligned and dynamic widths)

So you asked for rollover images which you can do (see Fill Options-> Normal/Mouse Over/Mouse Down). Drop down menus are done automatically for you. Just create a directory and add pages to it. They are created for you.

Yes for now you will need to use the HTML Snippet for the slideshows we'll have a tutorial for that in a few weeks. But it will much better than it would in iWeb.

There is plenty you can do without writing any code. Some of the things you are requesting are very complex and do take some learning to implement but they can certainly be done right now in EasyWeb.

Dan observations will be the same as many until you get plenty of good content video tutorials out ... some really good examples of websites that have been created without using the powerful html coding facility ... just the basic builtin tools.
User: shaun 10 years ago
Roddy with regard to this http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/html-headings.html
Are you saying one doesnt use the fonts, colour ... style in easyweb? Seems inconvenient creating the look of the site outside easyweb!

What I'm trying to say is, Can the design text be created within easyweb ... the code for this be transfered into the header ... footers for the search engine spiders to do thier bit?
User: Roddy 10 years ago
When you create text in a drag and drop style app you are typing into a text box. Creating a heading is just the same except you are typing into a code box like this...

My Website


Page Name


Page Heading


Paragraph Heading



Same thing with the style. Its all done in EasyWeb.

I'm sure that one day there will be a widget for it. I'm suggesting that it's a good way to get conversant with code injection and make your pages more desirable for the search engine spiders.

Typing text into a text box creates

and possibly tags which the spiders put a lot less importance on. That's why it's important to use the tags and choose the words carefully. SEO is not magic. Its about creating interesting and relevant content and letting both the spiders and humans know which words are the "key" to the content.

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Roddy

Website: http://everwebwidgets.com
Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html
NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own.

User: dan y 10 years ago
Perhaps that's my real problem. For me, the cut and paste procedure of working with HTML snippets is completely confusing to me. When I say ''learning code', a better term would be 'learning HTML snippet procedure'. Cutting and pasting code for some reason has me stumped at the moment. I'm sure that once I figure it out a world will open for me. I know that for the moment a blog will be from another source and a forum I'm sure will always be from another source. I don't expect a forum to ever be a part of the Easyweb application.

Most of the features you mention that are better than Iweb are working behind the scenes and are not realized until it's explored as a working website so I haven't had the opportunity to appreciate them.

I'm bad on correct terminology for web design but I believe that when I said rollover I really meant 'behavior'. Example, when I mouse over an image or button I'd like the ability to have an info box open or some other attribute take place.

As said, I like Easyweb. I'd just like to have more dynamic features to work with. For now I think I'll spend some time learning more about html snippet 'cut n paste'

Thanks for the feedback.


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