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User: Sven V. 10 years ago
Today I tried Sparkle ( http://sparkle.cx ). It can't do much, but the look and feel is so much more up to date. With Everweb, I feel I'm still running Mac OS 9 (yes, the operating system of 15 years ago). I'm sure you developers are familiar with Sparkle, but hope you will consider redesigning Everweb to make it look and feel more modern.

And before people will comment that that is not important: we're webdesigners. Design is everything! Design inspires you. With all respect, the current Everweb design actually depresses me. Even iWeb feels more modern.

Just some kick under the butt.
User: Paul-RAGESW 10 years ago
Wow, I don't even know what to say. I couldn't disagree more, EverWeb has significantly more features and looks much nicer and more modern. It looks great on OS X 10.10 and later.

If you have specific examples, please show me, or if anyone else agrees, let me know. But I'm honestly surprised by a statement like this and I wouldn't even know where to start with this feedback.

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User: Sven V. 10 years ago
If that's what you think, don't change a thing, then. I think you missed something in my post: you say "EverWeb has significantly more features", where I said "[Sparkle] can't do much". So I agree on this, but not on the "modern" look.
User: Paul-RAGESW 10 years ago
No I did notice that you what you said about the features, I was just re-iterating it, but I am genuinely looking for something specific about the look and feel and EverWeb.

If you can give me an example, I can get a better idea of what you mean regarding the user interface. I am just so surprised that you would think EverWeb's UI does not look modern since most of it is modelled after Pages, Numbers, Keynote and iWeb.

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Paul
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User: James G. 10 years ago
6 of 1 and half-dozen of the other. To me, the UI is just a different UI. I can see what you mean, but I prefer EW UI. I installed it and messed with it, but did not change anything, just took it at face value.
Some things I did not like about Sparkle UI- I like to see page names instead of images of the pages on left, I did not like the handful of small buttons at top in a sea of grey, I found the text boxes with squiggles in them to be distracting, I did not like that dragging a page longer is herky-jerky, I did not like the lack of info area in Inspector area (compared to EW).
Things I did like- a variety of textures for page backgrounds but did not like that it seems you cannot mix texture and color, I like the Grid but dislike that it seems to not offer a true grid, just vertical lines.
I am all for minimalist UI, but only if it is there for a particular reason. I can see how one would consider EW to be kind of clunky comparatively, however for me EW is easier since I have what I need easily within reach.
I would love to see the textures brought into EW to be used as a Text Box/Shape background.
User: Courtney H. 10 years ago
[quote name=Sven V. time=15/09/2015 14:03:12]Today I tried Sparkle ( http://sparkle.cx ). It can't do much, but the look and feel is so much more up to date. With Everweb, I feel I'm still running Mac OS 9 (yes, the operating system of 15 years ago). I'm sure you developers are familiar with Sparkle, but hope you will consider redesigning Everweb to make it look and feel more modern.

And before people will comment that that is not important: we're webdesigners. Design is everything! Design inspires you. With all respect, the current Everweb design actually depresses me. Even iWeb feels more modern.

Just some kick under the butt.

Sven -

I respectfully disagree. Anyone that uses a template (regardless of the web design program) is going to be locked into that design. And most really stink.
EW shines because it allows free-form design and one can build almost anything they want, good or bad.

UI's are another story. Try Dreamweaver if you want to get lost :-)
Like anything else, one gets familiar with what they use after awhile. I don't care how the program looks - I care about what I can produce with it. Yes, there's certain things EW doesn't do, like blogs but I came up with a work around. I'll hold some of the sites I've done with EW to some of the ones I also did in Dreamweaver. Yes, there's some differences in the bells and whistles but EW can produce a good looking, well working site if you work with it.
What counts is what you produce not how pretty the UI is.
You ever hand code a web site? There's a crappy UI :-)

Aloha.

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User: wellnl 10 years ago
From a UI perspective, IMHO, EW is really great as i know I am only one or two clicks away from the functions that I want or need to use. To me this means that the UI experience is right on the nose. It's also great for workflow purposes as it saves time and effort. Yes, there is always room for improvement as with anything. And the EW team are always open to suggestions on how to make the product even better, so if you have something specific let them know! The Inspiration that I get with EW is that it has a clean design, finding the tools I want to use is easy and intuitive and i can play and be creative to my heart's content... so thanks Team EverWeb!
User: itay 10 years ago
Sven, I search in it and I'm really can't understand what you are talking about.

What you are see or what thing you are doing when you feel it's better? Please try to spell it to words and bring examples so it can maybe be a improvement suggestions.

Courtney I'm totally in your opinion..
User: Peter B. 10 years ago
I have seen sparkle as well and removed it in a heartbeat. It makes you think that it has more to offer, but it doesn't.

That being said, I feel that there are improvements possible for the EW UI. One thing that Paul might consider is to make the Toolbar on the botttom dock-able so you can decide to either have it on the bottom of your window, or on top. I myself would prefer this thing on top, to keep in line with the referred Numbers, Pages and such. Next to that I am used to having toolbars on the top, as we all are familiar with working left-to-right and top-to-bottom.

Furthermore, EW could use some more basic HTML features as I have addressed in a different topic.


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