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Adding mp4 Video?



User: dan y 6 years ago
Your website is about 'Selling' songs, what if you just posted them all so anyone could download them for free,,,, and,,, critique your songs on other sites when they're a work in progress and not near finished? ;-)
User: Roddy 6 years ago
I only use short clips on websites. If you want the whole thing you need to go to iTunes etc to purchase it.

Stereo audio files are a lot easier anyway due to their small size. They get emailed to interested parties and collaborators.

I share larger multi track files by uploading them to a password protected directory on the server. You would laugh at the hoops I have to jump through to teach some musicians how to upload them so that I can reverse the process!

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User: Christopher 6 years ago
[quote="Roddy":2j9d2eab]I had never actually tried inserting HTML5 video in EasyWeb using the assets folder. Its ridiculously easy even without a widget...

http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/test/html5-video.html

Its actually a better idea to play movies using a single MP4 with flash fallback for Firefox and older versions of IE. The widget would have less spaces for the EasyWeb user to fill in and they wouldn't be faced with the added task of creating the different file formats required.

http://roddymckay.com/EasyWeb/videojs.html
Roddy roddy Piper, you are quite the resource man! I've just read your page on adding HTML5 video and am confident I can do it. Big relief. Admins: will there be an EASIER WAY in the future?

I thought you or others might be interested in this piece by Larry Jordan on using Apple's Compressor 4 for HTML Live Streaming. If you read it, I'd be interested in your thoughts. He includes some example Code, so I hope I can paste that into an HTML snippet (as you referenced on your site). I'll report back after giving it all a go. Here's the article:

http://www.larryjordan.biz/basics-of-ht ... streaming/

Once I see how the compression looks using this, I may still be interested in offering an H.264 progressive download option (720p or 1080p) with a download QT link for those who need it. You say QT is on its way out, but isn't H.265 on its way in? Not that you just need QT to play that...

Chris

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User: Roddy 6 years ago
My "Quick 'n Dirty" way is to advise clients to either keep their movies to under 10 minutes or to divide them into sections.

This kills two birds with one stone - the limitations of iOS and the average viewers attention span!

As far as EasyWeb users are concerned, HTTP Live Streaming is not a viable option unless they host their movie files elsewhere. This is the kicker...

"Because Live Streaming requires multiple versions of the same file, total streaming file sizes will be 3-4 times larger than a single file, requiring more website storage"

"You are no longer uploading a single file, you are uploading a folder containing hundreds, even thousands, of smaller files."

In another topic I wrote this regarding the amount of storage provide with an EW account...

"Given that HTML5 video requires that you upload the video file in three different formats, it can be seen that 2GB will prove inadequate.

Admin's reply was...

"You will either have to buy more space on your EasyWeb account or use another server/video streaming site or hosting service."

I can't say much about this because I don't know how much extra storage costs and how much the average person would need. Quite a lot from reading the page you referenced!

I would imagine that most EasyWeb built sites are going to be in the "low budget" end of the market and most of the users (and perhaps their visitors) either don't know or don't care about quality video streaming. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense to me to pay good money for a video production (or spend a lot of time doing it yourself) and then stick it on YouTube!

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User: Roddy 6 years ago
I just noticed that you posed the question of the cost of extra storage in another topic.

For the extra $50 that eight more GBs would cost with the EasyWeb plan you can get a hosting account with unlimited storage.

I have one client who has a series of about 24 product info movies. You can imagine how much storage these need when you consider that I have to upload them as MP4, OGG and WebM. This is probably a drop in the ocean c/w what the same movies prepped for HTTP Live Streaming would require.

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User: Christopher 6 years ago
I compressed a short movie clip using Compressor's HTTP Live Streaming and here are the results: 5:49 = 463.7 MB. So roughly 400 MB per 5 min. So yeah, that's like 20 minutes of video for 2GB of storage (leaving room for pics, etc.).

Chris

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User: Roddy 6 years ago
Remember you need three times that if you are uploading MP4, OGG and WebM for HTML5 playback. Other wise you need a player that will fallback to flash.

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User: Christopher 6 years ago
Man, the internet is like the Wild West. So MP4 H.264 plays on Safari, iPhones and iPads. I'm reading that Firefox 21 now supports H.264, so that's good right. So it's just Chrome and Android users (and IE?). Screw em! :x But seriously, what a headache this is. For the time being, it might be better to just redirect people to Safari on the homepage. It's not like I haven't seen that before.

MY BIGGER PROBLEM though... is that I can't import my HTTP Live Streaming folder into EasyWeb. The read me text says:

To make your media viewable on the Internet, your media assets (movies, poster image) must be placed on a publicly accessible server.
The URL parameters must be modified if your media assets are served from a different location than your web page.


I'm instructed to upload the entire folder which contains a lot more than just media. But dragging my folder into EasyWeb returns the message: "You can not add Directories to your Assets". So how do I get them on the server?

Chris

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User: Roddy 6 years ago
I have already brought up the subject of the inability to add directories to assets or upload them to the server. It seems that adding directories will become possible at some point but we will never be able to have access to the EasyWeb server. To me, this is a serious downside to the EasyWeb publishing system but, to be fair, it will not effect the majority of users.

In your case it would make sense to have alternative hosting. Either to upload your assets to or to also publish your site if you are not using features that require assets that are on the EasyWeb server such as the contact form.

When you see a website that encourages visitors to download a certain browser, this means that the designer is both stupid and incompetent. You can't expect people to download and instal a browser just to view your site (or movies). Many can't and most won't.

Firefox does not support MP4. See this page for info about browsers and the various formats...

http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/

I have no idea how the developers intend to implement video (or audio) in EasyWeb but, given the limitations of the EasyWeb server, it really needs to be an MP4 player with flash fallback for Firefox and other older versions of some browsers. As far as using HTML5 is concerned they seem to have shot themselves in the foot due to the limited storage available and the relatively high cost of increasing this. Perhaps they are hoping we will all join the lowest common denominator and use YouTube.

In your case, if you want to use the EW server, I would suggest using a player like VideoJS. You only need to upload a fast start MP4 and a poster image. Code injection in EasyWeb makes this a fairly simple task and you can also reference the scripts on their server. If you need help with this just PM me.

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User: Paul-RAGESW 6 years ago
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but we will never be able to have access to the EasyWeb server


I believe we stated before that we may build a file manager into EasyWeb at some point.

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In your case it would make sense to have alternative hosting.


Almost ALL shared hosting services (especially ones that offer unlimited file space) will not allow video hosting and as you have discovered you will quickly run out of room on host that does provide a cap. In addition, bandwidth is a huge concern for video hosting and even hosts that cap your space will disable your account if you use too much bandwidth (even if they advertise unlimited bandwidth).

Here is your reality for Video and as much as you want to fight it, these are your only real options.;

1) Pay a service that specializes in hosting video content

2) Use youtube or vimeo for free

Any other option will limit video playback for many potential visitors.

Video is a complex thing and we can make it easier but I can guarantee you that vimeo and youtube will be your cheapest and best bet.

Please note that any copyright issues youtube may enforce, every other web host will enforce as well. You simply cannot publish anything to the web that you don't have the rights to. If you were to publish a video to the EasyWeb server that contained unlicensed material we would be forced to take it down to comply with DMCA.

Long story short, either pay for proper video play back or use one of the free video sharing sites.

Sorry that's just the reality with the web.

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User: Christopher 6 years ago
Paul,

Thanks for writing in. First of all, stating that you may build a file manager at some point does not give me much assurance or solve the problem now. Are we talking days or months, if in fact you do implement that feature?

Your next point about almost all shared hosting services not allowing video hosting actually prompted me to call GoDaddy. You're correct that users will be notified if their site sucks up too much bandwidth, slowing down service for others, but their tech guy said this is a 1 in 100 chance of happening and that they absolutely will host video. I'm not trying to start the next Hulu site, by the way. I'm only trying to build a portfolio of my work. So I'm not sure this criticism really applies to me.

The solutions you offer for Video concern me though. Instead of telling me my only real options are to pay a service that specializes in hosting video (JW Player, Flowplayer, I assume?) or using YouTube or Vimeo, I'd much rather you try to solve the problem the way I want to do it. I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't mistake the tone... but I am the customer after all, am I not? And video is everywhere on the Internet. I'd think if EasyWeb wanted to be cutting edge, you'd be implementing ways for us to include it. Even iWeb understood this, and that was 5 years ago. So far, I'm getting all my advice from Roddy (God bless him!) and I'm still hoping his workarounds allow me to do what I want to do. It's curious that you guys seem to be taking the opposite approach...

But you know what, your last line may in fact be the only thing that matters at the end. If I have to worry about EasyWeb or Rage pulling my videos off their server because you guys think they may or may not infringe upon copyrights, then I guess I'll be hosting elsewhere. Will you be applying the same kind of scrutiny to photos and music? I've written, produced and directed a $1.5 m feature film, and 2 feature documentaries, so I do know a thing or two about this. And what you may not understand is that films, especially documentaries, are often completed with broadcaster/distributor money that comes after they view the rough-cut. Meaning I need to send them something before I can finalize all my payments (licensing, clearances, post sound, colour correction, etc. etc.). But I shouldn't really need to explain all this. All I need to know is whether I can upload videos to EasyWeb and then send a password protected link to whomever I want. Roddy has convinced me I can do the first part. Can you tell me if I can do the second and why I should trust you with my videos after what you just said.

Chris

P.S. I do see the benefits of going with the EasyWeb/hosting package. Even though GoDaddy's a lot cheaper, for unlimited disk space. So I do hope we can make this work! But I can't make decisions based on uncertainties and I will have to commit to something pretty soon.

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but we will never be able to have access to the EasyWeb server


I believe we stated before that we may build a file manager into EasyWeb at some point.

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In your case it would make sense to have alternative hosting.


Almost ALL shared hosting services (especially ones that offer unlimited file space) will not allow video hosting and as you have discovered you will quickly run out of room on host that does provide a cap. In addition, bandwidth is a huge concern for video hosting and even hosts that cap your space will disable your account if you use too much bandwidth (even if they advertise unlimited bandwidth).

Here is your reality for Video and as much as you want to fight it, these are your only real options.;

1) Pay a service that specializes in hosting video content

2) Use youtube or vimeo for free

Any other option will limit video playback for many potential visitors.

Video is a complex thing and we can make it easier but I can guarantee you that vimeo and youtube will be your cheapest and best bet.

Please note that any copyright issues youtube may enforce, every other web host will enforce as well. You simply cannot publish anything to the web that you don't have the rights to. If you were to publish a video to the EasyWeb server that contained unlicensed material we would be forced to take it down to comply with DMCA.

Long story short, either pay for proper video play back or use one of the free video sharing sites.

Sorry that's just the reality with the web.

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User: Paul-RAGESW 6 years ago
Chris, if you want a half assed video playback feature like iWeb you can do that easily. I am assuming you are a professional and want the best. If I am mistaken, let me know and we can just do video like iWeb did, no problem. But having the best means it will cost a bit more.

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Thanks for writing in. First of all, stating that you may build a file manager at some point does not give me much assurance or solve the problem now.


Whether or not we put this in doesn't really solve your problem as I will explain below.

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but their tech guy said this is a 1 in 100 chance of happening and that they absolutely will host video.


So will we, under the same, or similar conditions. You said;

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So roughly 400 MB per 5 min.


Let's say you have a 30 minute video that is about 2400MB. You have 100 people watch that you've used 240,000MB. Now lets say you have 5 of those that is 1,200,000 MB. Or 1.2 TERABYTES of data. That is a lot of bandwidth for only a few videos and a handful of people watching your videos. Is this the kind of traffic you are expected? More or less? If more callback Godaddy and ask them if you can use a minimum of 1.2 TERABYTES of data/month for your videos.

From Godaddy's terms of service;
http://ca.godaddy.com/agreements/showdo ... HOSTING_SA
[code:235v7i6i]Unlimited Disk Space/Bandwidth Plans. Web Hosting and WordPress Hosting plans are designed to host most personal, small business and organization websites, and thus we offer unlimited bandwidth and some plans offer unlimited disk space. This means that we do not set a limit on the amount of bandwidth or disk space you may use in the operation of your website, provided it complies with this Agreement. In the event the bandwidth or disk space usage of your website presents a risk to the stability, performance or uptime of our servers, data storage, networking or other infrastructure, you may be required to upgrade to a VPS or Dedicated Server, or we may take action to restrict the resources your website is utilizing. [/code:235v7i6i]

If you don't expect anywhere near that much traffic, you don't really have a problem. But this is what I am assuming you mean by what you are discussing. Maybe I am wrong though so please clarify how many videos/viewers you are expecting so we can be on the same page.

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Instead of telling me my only real options are to pay a service that specializes in hosting video (JW Player, Flowplayer, I assume?) or using YouTube or Vimeo, I'd much rather you try to solve the problem the way I want to do it. I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't mistake the tone... but I am the customer after all, am I not?


Please understand, I can't possibly say to you we'll host the above videos for no extra charge (unless my estimates above are WAY off). It can't happen. It's like you're saying I want to by a car but I'm bad with directions. Can you give me a free GPS at your cost instead of me having to go buy one? More services cost more money. My suggestion is that as of now many third party services do it MUCH better than we do and I would think that you would want something powerful and better even if it did cost a few extra dollars/month.

Bandwidth and file space on a server is the expensive and limited stuff. That is why we can't just provide unlimited of both, and why any other web host won't as well. There is no such thing as unlimited file space and bandwidth. You are free to read the terms of service of all other web hosts that say this. (again asking them if they host video isn't the right questions. Of course they will, and we will too. The question is how much bandwidth can I use up before I get kicked off. The answer of course is unknown but I can guarantee you once you get in the terabytes of bandwidth/month you will be kicked off and forced to upgrade.)

Other hosts terms of service for you to check. They ALL say the same thing. Do a find for bandwidth in your web browser and you'll see the same note that Godaddy says;
http://www.hostgator.com/tos
http://bluehost.com/cgi/info/terms.html
http://www.1and1.com/Gtc?__lf=Static

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And video is everywhere on the Internet.


Yes it is, and almost EVERY website uses youtube.com to host their videos because otherwise it would be INSANELY expensive for them AND very difficult to get it working for all visitors. If they aren't using Youtube, they are paying a lot of money for you to watch their videos.

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I'd think if EasyWeb wanted to be cutting edge, you'd be implementing ways for us to include it.


There are many ways to include it. Including it isn't the problem. The problem is the amount of file space and bandwidth you need for the videos. My suggestion to use a third party site is because with these third party companies that specialize in video playback it will be much cheaper for you. We don't have the infrastructure set up to support the type of video you want (or I assume you want).

Again, websites pay a TON of money to have high quality video up on their site.

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Even iWeb understood this, and that was 5 years ago.


iWeb didn't understand this. iWeb used Apple's quicktime for video playback. This whole discussion has been how Quicktime is not compatible with most user's browsers. On a Mac or iOS device you are fine. On Windows or Android devices most likely the video won't play. That is why Roddy is making all these suggestions of different formats to upload.

Video has ALWAYS been tricky on the web. That is why there are companies that specifically specialize in it.

Again, if you want to just do video the way iWeb did, that is MUCH simpler and just a few lines of code that can be added to EasyWeb. I am assuming you have high quality videos you want people to see. No matter what tool you use to build your site this is going to be complex and expensive.

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So far, I'm getting all my advice from Roddy (God bless him!) and I'm still hoping his workarounds allow me to do what I want to do. It's curious that you guys seem to be taking the opposite approach...


I'm all for Roddy's advice. His advice is correct but as he as already stated 10GB of file space won't be enough for you. Likewise, the bandwidth on a shared server won't be enough for you either. You'll need a VPS or dedicated box. Which in itself has extra costs. If you need more bandwidth/file space, as you will with Godaddy and other hosts, we could probably set that up for you but it's going to be much more expensive. As it will with any other web host.

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If I have to worry about EasyWeb or Rage pulling my videos off their server because you guys think they may or may not infringe upon copyrights, then I guess I'll be hosting elsewhere.


YOU CANNOT UPLOAD ANY MEDIA YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TO TO ANY WEBHOSTING SERVICE. You are welcome to read about the DMCA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Mi ... yright_Act. VIRTUALLY EVERY WEB HOST MUST COMPLY WITH IT. Again, NO MATTER WHAT WEBHOST you are with, YOU CANNOT PUBLISH UNLICENSED MEDIA TO IT. iWeb even had a dialog telling you to confirm you own the copyright to all material before publishing (as does EasyWeb). It is illegal to use unlicensed media ANYWHERE on the web. Any web host that get a DMCA request MUST act on it ASAP.

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Roddy has convinced me I can do the first part. Can you tell me if I can do the second and why I should trust you with my videos after what you just said.


You NEED to really read my responses. I am truly trying to give you the best advice possible. You cannot upload unlicensed and copyrighted material TO ANY WEB HOSTING SERVICE.

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P.S. I do see the benefits of going with the EasyWeb/hosting package. Even though GoDaddy's a lot cheaper, for unlimited disk space. So I do hope we can make this work! But I can't make decisions based on uncertainties and I will have to commit to something pretty soon.


Every single issue I am trying to describe here is relevant to ANY OTHER web hosting provider, even Godaddy. And Godaddy is not cheaper because they don't give you EasyWeb which you would have to upgrade. File space is not the only thing you are getting from us or Godaddy.

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User: Christopher 6 years ago
Look man, that was a pretty aggressive response. With all your bolding, I feel like you were yelling at me through my computer screen. That said, I came to EasyWeb because I want it to be simple. I just want to design cool graphics with photoshop and make simple pages and post my work. In the process, I'm obviously getting quite the education on video for web. Used to be, you'd just give people a DVD. Now they want a link. So it is what it is. But even with iWeb, I didn't run into any problems really. A portfolio website like this is generally going to reach targeted people who won't have a problem switching their browser to Safari or downloading the QT plugin if need be. If you guys could implement something for video along the lines of what Roddy was suggesting, now with mp4 (and Flash fallback?) I think it'd be great and I think your customers would thank you for it.

As for your hypothesis, I don't think we're on the same page regarding the amount of terrabytes I might potentially require. But when I figure everything out, I can contact you directly. Honestly, I'm still a little concerned about you guys pulling my work down or getting in the middle of things.

Chris

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User: Paul-RAGESW 6 years ago
Chris,

The bold text was for emphasis to highlight important parts. You keep mentioning the same things so I am clarifying them in my responses.

This whole discussion was about you putting up your professional videos in a way for anyone to be able to see them. I was trying to give you your best options. iWeb did NOT let you do this. There aren't many free options that let you do this.

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If you guys could implement something for video along the lines of what Roddy was suggesting, now with mp4 (and Flash fallback?) I think it'd be great and I think your customers would thank you for it.


Once again, this is not a simple thing. Obviously people would love it if we did it for free because it normally costs more money to do. That is why so many services exist that you need to pay extra for. Even when/if we do implement this, you would need to pay extra for it anyways since you'll need more space and bandwidth, let alone access to the technology to convert video. I was simply trying to give you the most professional and easiest way to do this so anybody could view your video.

I really don't know what the problem you have with using another service is. Its going to cost extra no matter what. I don't understand.

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Honestly, I'm still a little concerned about you guys pulling my work down or getting in the middle of things.


Again, no matter what, you cannot put copyrighted material that you don't own online. Whether you use iWeb, Godaddy, EasyWeb or anything else. We don't go looking for this. If the copyright owner sends in a complaint it must be removed.


If you want to just put a quicktime move up, export as a .mov and;
1) Drag the movie file to the assets list
2) Put an HTML Snippet on your page and put this code in it;

3) Go back to assets list and right click on your .mov file and select 'Copy Relative Path'.
4) Replace the file.mov string in the HTML Snippet by pasting the relative path you just copied

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User: Roddy 6 years ago
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This whole discussion was about you putting up your professional videos in a way for anyone to be able to see them.


As I understand it, Chris wants video rough cuts to be displayed for client viewing - rather than anyone and everyone - so all this stuff about bandwidth and copyright clearance are not significant issues.

I don't have any experience of the movie business but enough in the music business - as a song writer/producer and a publisher - to know what would be the best way to present media for the convenience of the client. I would have thought a password protected web page with a video player showing all - or part - of the movie, a download link to a zip and some text for the pitch would suit most situations.

Even in the best case, this would require an MP4 and a zip of the same file to be uploaded and this would have to be figured into the storage requirements. On the other hand, these files only have to be present on the server for a relatively short period of time.

The two main requirements for this scenario would be the ability to password protect a page and the ability to delete the files on the server when they are no longer required to conserve space.

While Chris' case is fairly unique, I think you will find that a significant number of EasyWeb users are going to ask for a better way to play movies judging by the requests for this in the iWeb forum. Embedding a .MOV is not the answer for a lot of reasons.

From the feedback and questions I received from the iWebforMusicians website, I know that a lot of people do not see YouTube as the answer to their prayers. They want visitors to go to their website - not hang out on YouTube and post facetious comments. YouTube has become synonymous with cheap and nasty and has no place on a website promoting a quality product or service. Pitching a movie or a band performance via YouTube is a recipe for rejection.

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