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User: Roddy 11 years ago
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Simply deleting an item won't make any difference to the order of the items in the HTML. It's moving them around that messes things up. The 1 shouldn't aause any problems as long as you remember to change any relative file paths when you delete it from the page-name-1.html. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: darrendixie123456789 11 years ago
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Hi Roddy, Ok, now I am a little confused! Are you saying that if I make a new page, drop three shapes one after the other on to it (first at the top of the page, 2nd in the middle a few px below, then the third at the bottom) the code loads 1, 2, 3. As expected - top to bottom. But if I were to take shape number 1 then reposition it at the bottom of the three shapes, the HTML load order stays 1,2,3 so in this example the shape at the bottom would actually load first. Instead of the sequence updating to be 2,3,1. That all makes sense - and highlights my need for a build list or load order indicator. So you can click on each item and see what number it is on the page. Perhaps in addition to the "Show Layout" there could be "Show Build order" with each item displaying a little number next to it - then have the option to update the code order based on the vertical position of the page? I am sure that the vast majority of users don't look at the code as it's not what an app like this is all about. A simple or tool to see the objects load order is something Keynote/powerpoint users would pick up really quickly and empower them to feel like they were making a difference on a higher level... without having to be too into web code. Just to reinforce my point at the beginning, I know that you make a wire-frame/sketch of your page before actually making it. Over time however users are going to make changes/updates to their pages. Surely drag and drop users can't be expected to keep a paper record of what items are in what order over the years that they make little adjustments and add objects or replace them with newly styled ones. I can see how this isn't a problem for someone who codes their website. You can update items in the code, move the lines around etc, so your code always reflects the page load order. Drag and drop users can only make their code load in the right order the first time they make the page. After that, if a few months down the line objects/styles are changes there is no way to arrange the code so a wire-frame only applies to the first time a page is made. |
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User: Roddy 11 years ago
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Yes, you are correct about the positioning. I don't think a complicated system for rearranging the content order in the HTML doc - after the user has messed it up - is necessary. EverWeb incorporates enough features to make it idiot proof which create problems for those of us who don't need them and take up unnecessary space in the UI. Personally, I would rather see a version of the application with all this junk stripped out and a better system of code insertion. Either that, or have the code insertion boxes nearer the top of the Page inspector. I detest popup tabs but that may be a better way to present the code insertion boxes. I am not criticising the developers here. They have to go with what they think the average user wants and create the widest appeal for the software. As far as the human visitors are concerned, the load order is becoming of less importance with the increase in internet download speeds that most of us are experiencing. This, of course, is assuming you pay attention to optimizing images correctly! A web page created with EverWeb - using text boxes and dragging images onto the page - will be fairly meaningless to the search engine spiders. As far as they are concerned, there are no images and no related content. Using HTML4, we can help them out by inserting images and slideshows with alt tags and preceding paragraphs with HTML headings. Even this fails when say a forgotten h4 heading is stuck in as an after thought and dragged into the visually correct position. Using a drag and drop app, the visitors see a nice layout with separate pieces of info arranged neatly in blocks with colored backgrounds and pseudo headings. All the spiders see is a bunch of jumbled and unrelated information. The HTML5 widgets overcome this be grouping blocks of related info and allowing them to be dragged around - or stuck on another page - without losing there sense to the spiders. Until this kind of thing is built into EW, it's only possible to add the content via the Widget Inspector. This means that they will not be considered an option by those who are frightened off from putting a little extra effort into their websites and those who don't want the site indexed properly by the search engines. On the positive side, once the basic blocks are created and styled, they can be copied and paste throughout the site. This will allow faster page creation by those who do actually plan their websites in advance. The biggest bonus will be far superior SEO than could ever be achieved with sites created without them. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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