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SEO and the Nav Menu Location
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User: Larry D. 11 years ago
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Thanks to Roddy for pointing me to doing SEO inside EveWeb. I watched all the SEO video tutorials at least twice. My question is, when doing SEO does it make a difference where the Navigation menu is located? I currently have it near the top of the main panel (don't know what else to call it) on each page. In the SEO tutorial about the Navigation Menu it is shown being placed in the Header but no explanation was given as to why it was placed there. I assume it was just a personal preference. I am considering moving it to the header box anyways but was wondering if it would matter with regards to SEO. Thank you, Oliver Last edit 11 years ago |
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User: Roddy 11 years ago
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A navigation menu can be placed anywhere on the page so you can command drag it into the header if you want. What does matter was far as SEO is concerned is the order in which the elements are added to the page. Say insert text boxes and images and then decide to add HTML headings to improve SEO. You insert the headings and then drag them into position. When the spiders crawl the page HTML, they come across paragraphs with no HTML headings and then find a bunch of them at the bottom of the HTML doc. They have no way of knowing that which heading is related to what item. If you are not creating a sketch or wireframe of the page layout, you should do your designing on a test page which is excluded from the navigation. Once you have decided on the arrangement of the items, you can then copy and paste them over to the actual page in the correct order. This situation is a little different if you insert items using HTML5 elements since these are self contained units which make sense to spiders on their own. This page shows how HTML5 can improve the SEO. Last edit 11 years ago ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Larry D. 11 years ago
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Roddy, Thank you again for your reply. I read your link and am more confused than ever. As far as I could surmise "Headings" has something to do with font type and size but I don't understand what font size has to do with SEO. I select the font in each paragraph I write as I go. I pushed the "Easy" button and saw, once again, your widget groupings being offered but don't know which group had the widget you were referencing. You talk about EasyWeb, don't know what that is and CSS, which I've seen the term in these post but not familier with it. I started HTML hand coding in 1996 and later went to iWeb so in between there must have been a lot of changes that I missed. Even after rereading your post and link I still don't know what a "Heading" is, especially regarding paragraphs, and how it applies to SEO. Oliver Last edit 11 years ago |
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User: Roddy 11 years ago
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If you insert a heading such as the website name or page name in a text box, the search engine spiders place little importance on it. HTML headings are just what their name implies. They are inserted as HTML in the appropriate tag... <h1>Website Name</h1> <h2>Page Name</h2> <h3>Section Name</h3> <h4>Paragraph Heading</h4> If used correctly, they create a hierarchy of keywords and make like a lot easier for the spiders. As I pointed out above, they need to be placed in the HTML doc in the correct location so that they relate to any text placed immediately after them. There's an example of a simple HTML doc on THIS page which may help you to understand where they go. The various widgets for inserting HTML headings make it quick and easy to do without having to see any code. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Larry D. 11 years ago
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Here is what I think I have learned. The code is generated as the page is created and elements are added. So, it is rendered in the order it was created. If I make a change at the top of a long page after it was created then when it is rendered that change will be rendered last in the web browser. Web bot engines scan the code from the top and if the Headers are placed after the page was already made then this code ends up at the bottom of the code being read and is missed so that part of the SEO effort is wasted. Same for making any changes after the page is finished, including picture names. So, what I need to do is recreate each web page putting in header 2 (h2) first, page image with appropriate name, background colors, images found at top of page, again properly named before insertion, paragraph headers (h3), paragraph text, and on down the page. As to h4 I don't know how that is used although Roddy has it as paragraph header in one of his codebox pages. I guess I'm still a little confused about headers and which ones go where (h1-4). Oliver Last edit 11 years ago |
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User: Jumbo T. 11 years ago
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You don't have to recreate the page when adding a new object. Simply change the order on the page by moving the object forward, backwards, to the front or to the back. The commands are in the menu. And if you completely lost track, move objects to the back starting at bottom right and then work your way up from right to left, bottom to top. |
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User: Larry D. 11 years ago
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Jumbo, I'm not sure we are taking about the same thing. "You don't have to recreate the page when adding a new object." Of course I don't need to in order for it show up on the page but this whole thread is about SEO and how the crawlers see the code and the order in which it is presented to them. So, is that what you were referring to when you said the above quote? I am of the opinion that your suggestion won't place the code in the location of the item being viewed, even though the page will be rendered properly once all the code is read by the browser. My concern is two fold, that the page be rendered from top to bottom so something doesn't pop up at the top after the rest of the page is rendered due to last minute modifications to the top of the page. But, more important, that the search engine crawler bots capture the code that is important to get a good ranking and not be missed because it was an after thought, like headers being added after the page is finished and not having that code be viewed by those crawlers because it is at the bottom of the page's code; even though it may be rendered at or near the top of the page by the browser. Oliver Last edit 11 years ago |
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User: Roddy 11 years ago
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What Jumbo T. is referring to is changing the order of items in the HTML doc by reassigning the values for z-index. EverWeb assigns a value for z-index to each item added to the page - from low to high. By changing the z-index of an object you can change its position in the document flow. Using z-index to change the order can be time consuming for a page with lots of objects and you really need to publish the site and look at the source code to make sure you got it right. For those who don't understand any of this, it is easier just to duplicate a page, delete the objects on the original, copy them over in the desired order from the duplicate and then delete the duplicate. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Paul-RAGESW 11 years ago
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You can watch our SEO for EverWeb course to learn how to properly optimize your EverWeb website for search engines.
------------------------------- Paul EverWeb Developer |
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User: Larry D. 11 years ago
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Roddy, I am not sure about the bottom right to top left of re-assigning the order that Jumbo wrote about, but considering what you just wrote, I am going to rebuild each web page. Inasmuch as I'm copying this over from an already existing 35 page iWeb site, I will just have to re-do the 11 pages I've already built buy creating new pages and doing as you said. Thanks for that confirmation. Paul, please read the Post #1 of this thread and give me an answer to it, as it has not been addressed in this thread so far. Thank all of you for your help, Oliver Last edit 11 years ago |
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