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Hosting or standalone decision?
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User: Denise J. 12 years ago
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I am going to be switching to Everweb, but cannot decide whether to get the standalone or hosting version. I currently maintain a site for a nonprofit, which is hosted elsewhere. I would also like to create a website for myself. The nonprofit I work with takes care of the hosting and domain fees for the site I created with iWeb. It all works well currently, but I want to move to EW. I like the ease of using the hosting version, but usually prefer to own programs, not subscribe. If I purchase one way, and change my mind later, is it easy to switch versions? |
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User: Steve 12 years ago
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Denise I would think the software is the same, ( there are some things that you MUST be on their server to take advantage of ) it's just how the Rage system recognizes you when you sign it is really on only difference... If Rage has all the things that you require/would like and the right price, sure might as well go with them... I think they may have a 30day guarantee... S ------------------------------- MacBook Pro 15in Retina 10.14.6 Nevada, U.S.A Apple since OS 7.1 LE II (pizza box) |
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User: Paul-RAGESW 12 years ago
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Quote: but usually prefer to own programs, not subscribe Just to clarify, whichever package you go with you always own the software. You get to keep the software you paid for, forever. You just wouldn't get updates or support after a year if you don't want to pay again. The reason I recommend the hosted version is because we will be adding some very exciting features that require our hosting platform. The reason is that to make them work, the server has to be configured in a way so the software and website can't interact with each other. For example, you can see this already in the 1.3 betas with password protection, 404 Not found pages and 301 redirects. We've got some really amazing features planned that will only work with the hosted version. You can switch from the standalone to the hosted version, but not the other way around. ------------------------------- Paul EverWeb Developer |
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User: Heather S. 12 years ago
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| I am also trying to decide whether to go with the paid or hosted version. Paul, I understand that one can switch from the standalone to the hosted, and not the other way around. How is it that one would always own the software? Let's say I bought a hosted package for a year and then dropped it. Would I still own the software, even if I chose to host somewhere else? | |
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User: Roddy 12 years ago
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After a year you would still own the software but wouldn't qualify for updates or support.
------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Heather S. 12 years ago
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| Ok. Let me think this through. If I buy the Everweb with Hosting 2GB plan for $99.95, is it fair to say that for the first year I am paying $20 for hosting, and after $99.95 each year for hosting, as well as software updates and support? | |
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User: Roddy 12 years ago
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That sounds about right. All the details are here… http://www.everwebapp.com/pricing.html ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Patrick H. 12 years ago
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Quote: You can switch from the standalone to the hosted version, but not the other way around. I don't get this. If you say I could not switch from hosted to standalone, do you only mean regarding the features on the website using the EW services? But I could use EW as a standalone editor and publish sites to other hosts, right? I even could publish the sites created with the hosted version to another host, BUT the 'special effects' like 404 template, password protection etc will not work, right? |
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User: Roddy 12 years ago
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Quote: You can switch from the standalone to the hosted version, but not the other way around. I think Paul probably means that you can upgrade from the standalone version to the hosted one. If you have paid for the hosted version and decide you want to publish to another server in the first year you cannot downgrade and would not get any money back. You would wait until the year is up and then purchase a standalone license. With either version, you can publish via FTP or to a local folder and upload via an optimizer or FTP app. You can create your own 404 and password protection on any server using .htaccess. I can't think of any good reason why the average user would not want the EverWeb hosting since it is convenient and cheap at about $20 per year. Also, a lot of users are screaming for the ability to create a blog and I'm sure that this will require the tied hosting. Having said that, I publish the EverWeb Codebox & Widgetbox site to another server for the reasons given HERE. I don't think the average user is going to need such a huge number of external files as I do. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Patrick H. 12 years ago
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Thanks for your thoughts, Roddy. Quote: You would wait until the year is up and then purchase a standalone license. I think, with the 99 USD for the first year the customer already payed the license for the software and may still use it in the future, doesn't he? I think, Rage has to find a good way between hosted and standalone. They never get (or lose) ambitious and advanced web designers if the key functions only work with their own host. For me, EW hosting will never be a option since one of my WordPress based blogs is >4GB alone. That's why I already have a hosting. Blog functionality is feasible in a standalone version, just look at iWeb or even Sandvox. But anyway, I think the EW team does a great job! And BTW: Thank you for your Everwebcodebox, Roddy :-) |
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User: Roddy 12 years ago
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Quote: I think, with the 99 USD for the first year the customer already payed the license for the software The license is paid for one year but you would need to renew it to get future updates and support. Quote: Blog functionality is feasible in a standalone version, just look at iWeb The iWeb blog had to be published to MobileMe for the comments feature to work. If I were a blogger I would probably use Wordpress since it's easy enough to link to the blog from the website - and back again of course. If a blog is successful it gets huge and I certainly wouldn't build it on the same project file as the parent website. It's only my opinion but I think that a blog and a website should be separate entities. Two interlinked sites are better for SEO than one that tries to be everything for everybody. I did setup a trial blog using Wordpress to test out the responsive designs. They work well and I would recommend them to bloggers since the majority of those who visit blogs and comment on them are using mobile devices. You can see the blog HERE and will note that the EZMAC button in the navigation links back to the parent site which is, of course, responsive as well. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Heather S. 12 years ago
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Quote: Roddy - 12/04/2014 4:56:56 Quote: If you have paid for the hosted version and decide you want to publish to another server in the first year you cannot downgrade and would not get any money back. You would wait until the year is up and then purchase a standalone license. Ok, so this is getting to the heart of my question. Let's say I buy the $99 hosted version tomorrow and have it for a year. After that year is up, I decide not to renew hosting with EW. Do I then have to purchase a standalone license to keep using Everweb software? That means I have to buy the software twice. Thanks for you help with this, Roddy and Patrick. I need to decide soon. |
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User: Roddy 12 years ago
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I know it's confusing because most software is sold for a one off fee plus, in most cases, a small fee for major updates. If you decide to drop the hosting at the end of the year, you would still be able to use EverWeb for as long as you want. You wouldn't get any more updates or support. If you want to continue to receive updates and support you would need to pay the license fee every year. You are not paying for the software as such. You are contributing to the high cost of development and the even higher cost of providing support. This does seem unfair for those take the trouble to learn the software and use the power of Google to learn about creating websites. On the other hand, there are some users who need their hand held to walk them through seemingly simple procedures. Support is very time consuming. Some of the people who email me with questions would burn up their 80 bucks worth in less than 24 hours if I charged for it. I would have thought it would be worth the Developer's considering having a third option where the software could be purchased for a certain sum and this would include updates within one version. A fee would be charged for major updates. This would excluded one on one support which most users don't need. I do think it's a bit unfair that the more experienced users - and those who are prepared to learn in their own time - are having to pay for those who can't be bothered to figure it out for themselves or don't want to suffer a public blow to their ego by posting in the user forum. ------------------------------- Roddy Website: http://everwebwidgets.com Contact: http://everwebwidgets.com/ewWidgets-home/contact.html NOTE: I am an EverWeb user and NOT affiliated with EverWeb! Any opinions expressed in this forum are my own. |
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User: Paul-RAGESW 12 years ago
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Quote: Ok, so this is getting to the heart of my question. Let's say I buy the $99 hosted version tomorrow and have it for a year. After that year is up, I decide not to renew hosting with EW. Do I then have to purchase a standalone license to keep using Everweb software? That means I have to buy the software twice. After your year is up you can continue to use your version of EverWeb forever. You just need to purchase the Standalone version of EverWeb again to get upgrades and support. Quote: I do think it's a bit unfair that the more experienced users - and those who are prepared to learn in their own time - are having to pay for those who can't be bothered to figure it out for themselves or don't want to suffer a public blow to their ego by posting in the user forum. At the pace we are going, we are delivering huge updates very quickly. We really can't get any cheaper for EverWeb. It's already cheaper than any comparable alternative. The cost of keeping up to date with EverWeb is about $4/month a the most. I think users get a lot of value for their money whether or not they contact support. Remember, our free video tutorials that we keep pumping out, are still useful to pro users and are a support cost as well. ------------------------------- Paul EverWeb Developer |
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User: Heather S. 12 years ago
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I'm real happy with my trial version of Everweb and I'm not complaining about the pricing options, just looking for clarification. Thanks to all for helping me sort it out. I think what I will do is buy the $99 hosting option, mostly because I am banking on upgrades that will make Everweb more than just an iWeb clone. I don't really need the hosting, but maybe I'll transfer one small site and see how it goes. Oh, and I appreciate those free video tutorials. They definitely helped in my decision to download Everweb in the first place. - Heather |
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